Can my tokens buy badgers?

Nuke’s comment to a previous thread made me realize that I am starting to assume that everyone is up on the WoW lingo and so lets help out a bit.

Gear in WoW comes from three main sources.

Crafting: Someone makes the stuff
Drop: You kill a dude and after decimating you something useful is left behind (where do murlocks keep their gold?)
Badges – Tokens – Honor: If the encounter did not give you a new shiny, it most likely gave you a token! WOOT (Quests, Arena and BG can also give you such things)

Gear in WoW becomes outdated every time there is a major patch. When harder content is released, all other gear currently hard to get its automatically easier to obtain. Since I have been playing WoW there are ways to obtain gear if you grind. Many pieces that are meant for PvP can be used in PvE while you get a drop or grind some more… but it applies mostly to DPS classes, and to some extent healers. Tanks are probably the hardest to gear since there are no really good PvP tanking… but that can be debated.

Right now tier 10 is what the top tier set is. The t9 set is very simple to get since all the dungeons now give you Emblems of Triumph. This set is not purchased in Dalaran, is actually sold right outside of the ToC area. There are also several pieces in between t10 and t9 that come from killing mobs in the new dungeons. If you get a toon to 80, farming the new instances every day will allow you to get geared in a quick fashion, probably the quickest that the game has allowed. Also, the Emblems are downgradable, so if there is trinket or back that might be from a lower tier set (sold in Dalaran above the portal room), you can downgrade your badges and purchase it.

This is the main reason that most raiding guilds will laugh at someone with even a set of blues for their raids. It has become pretty easy to purple yourself out in days instead of weeks like in previous iterations. I believe that it used to take even months to get just a piece in the original WoW raiding, and most people did not even get to wear purples. BC made it weeks to see a purple, and months to get a complete set… I would say about 75% of the people did not get to even see a full set, but most got at least some purples. In Wotlk getting a purple is just a matter of entering a heroic dungeon, and in days with the right grinding you can have a full set of tiered gear.

Getting items crafted is very expensive. You can sometimes get them from the auction house, but it will most likely cost you over 1K gold for any current gear. Again, since pieces will become outdated, it is likely that you can get something crafted from the previous set at a lower price. Patterns to make the best stuff come from the latest content, so it is unlikely that you will be crafting your own pieces unless you are already raiding the latest content. I would not steer you away if you have a lot of gold, but for most people this is not the route to go. Specially if you plan on actually raiding because a drop most likely will replace something that you got a week ago for 3K gold.

Drops is the best way to gear up. You have to create a list of where you can get the best gear from. Raids will obviously get you the best, but dungeons can also gear you up quite a bit and get you ready to raid. Be efficient about your time and run your toon through dungeons you actually need, unless you are still looking for tier pieces where I would suggest you get as many emblems as quickly as possible.

Once you get the gear, then you go for enchants and gems… but that is for another post and another day 🙂

Gearing Up

The new LFG system has made it very easy to gear up… and if you want to raid, you need to first gear up.

The first step is to create a shopping list. You will want your tier gear and trinkets that will come from emblems of triumph. Be very careful when adding all 5 pieces you can get to your shopping list because

A) The bonus set (there is a 2 piece and a 4 piece set bonus) might be compromising some aspect of the build you want to use. You might be better off just planning to keep a couple of those pieces.

B) You might want to save for the most expensive piece of your set instead of getting two cheap ones if it will give you more output.

First make sure you replace your greens and blues with the purples from the regular heroics. Look at your gear and find where each piece can be replaced. Prioritize the list and then find what will replace that piece and where does it come from. Have not only a list of what can be from a drop, but what can be from emblems, and DO NOT dismiss things that you can get from the lower tiers. Some of the trinkets and backs can be quite useful even from a tier or so ago.

Armed with a shopping list you will have to grind randoms… but follow these tips.

– Get the weekly raid done. If not with your guild, pug it. So far I have not seen any boss that was impossible with a pug, except for maybe the instructor that requires people to know the fight. Patchwork, Razorscale, Sartharion are all puggable. Don’t miss on those 5 emblems of frost if you can.

– ALWAYS do a RANDOM dungeon. It will give you two extra badges, and the first time that day two emblems of frost.

– DO NOT SKIP Oculus, Gundrak, Old Kingdom or Nexus, they all give over 7 badges when its all said and done. In fact, if you have a piece that you need from any of those and have the time, just grind them. They will give you the same number of badges as doing UK or An-K with a random.

– Recruit a tank to help you if you are not one. They will help you queue up faster. If you have a good tank in a random group, thank them and ask them if they can do another one with you.

– DO NOT leave any loot back, even if the tank is going a mile a minute press shift click or set auto loot on. DE at every chance. Save those mats for your enchants, they will come in handy.

– DO NOT waste time. If the group is not working, leave. Set a threshold and stick to it. My recomendation is 2 full wipes. If someone is AFK for a long period of time, leave. If people are being aggravating, leave. Go do some farming while you queue up again. Avoid any group that the tank is a DPS masked as a tank to que up quickly. You can see it right away if they are wearing PvP or non defense gear, or if their health is under 25K. (most tanks of any class will have at least 25 K even when starting to gear up)

– Group with people you know. If there is a group already doing chains, ask to join them and wait for them. It will make the time you waited for them worth it to be in a good group.

– Every day while gearing up, do a run through regular ToC and the ICC dungeons. The gear there is still very good even on the regular mode.

Now that you have some emblems and a shopping list you need to do some Wintergrasp. WHAT? I NEED TO DO BGs… I HATE BGs… and well, I do as well. They are disorganized chaos, but honor is the cheapest way to get gems at the moment. WG seems to be the most effective way to farm honor because of the quests they have. Save the honor and go get gems. Get them cut as soon as you have the best piece from your shopping list. Use cheap gems and enchants from the AH for transitional pieces. Don’t leave open gems or un-enchanted gear whenever possible.

Once you have all your tier gear pieces it is time to get them enchanted and gemmed with the best there is available to you. Then it should be time for you to start doing H ToC 5 man and the H ICC 5 man dungeons.

Using the advice I gave above I was able to gear up my priest pretty quickly and now I only need to replace pieces that either need to be crafted, or are drops from ICC 5 mans or raids.

Progression does not mean left behind

After another very fun guild meeting with taking down 25 man OS right after, a group of us started trying to shape our new 10 man group. The next day people logging on see a raid forming and start feeling automatically left behind.

Our guild has 3 speeds of players.

Serious raiders that like to get content done but don’t want to deal with the annoyance of a “hardcore raiding guild” that will mistreat their members at the first mistake or kick them out for a no show.

Casual raiders that want to raid, but don’t have the time to commit to set raid days and times.

Last but not least we have the people that play and are not interested on the raiding aspect of the game.

The problem arises when someone from the casual group wants to go do what the serious raiders want to do, but don’t get a spot on a run that they have the time for. For the most part this does not become an issue because several of our raiders are used to pugging and will gladly step aside if a guildie wants to go on a run. It becomes an issue the moment we start saying progression because it means that we are making that raid with the best players available in an attempt at doing slightly more challenging content.

We have several ideas on how to make everyone feel included, but for now we are settling for two 10 mans. One we are calling our progression 10 man which will be doing higher content ToC, TogC, ICC and hard modes. The other one (or two others since we now have plenty of extra 80 alts) will concentrate on gearing people and just getting people familiar with raiding if they are new in Naxx, OS, Vault and Ulduar.

Honjuder had the great idea that we devote one 10 man per day starting on Tuesday to the weekly raid. We will still wait for the schedule to be ironed out and put in game hopefully before the end of this week.

Froto has stepped up to lead our more serious raiders and I will be using my alt to lead other raids as needed. Since some of the content will not intersect, I might even be able to run some of the gearing runs. Simply sign up for the runs and be ready to show us what you can do. The raids at the progression level will be formed to have the best chance to succeed.

So check out the calendar in game for upcoming events and be part of the fun! The key to a raid besides showing up is being a good team player.

Also see one of the officers if you want to schedule other events, we are going to go on another bear run in the coming weeks.


Hollogos hit 80 this weekend, and weird enough he actually did it in a Battle Ground. This is my second WoW toon to reach the current 80 cap, and the first one I did for myself rather than what was more needed. I have created and deleted about 6 characters now, I start playing them and the grind gets boring. I even got a DK somewhat leveled, but when we were able to create horde toons on the same server, I created a DK to help the lowbees run through stuff. Now that toon as well as the druid I created there sit idle. I seem to be a one toon a time kind of person and have not quite caught the altoholic addiction that McTeague is the worst sufferer of, but some of our other guildies are not far behind with 3 or more 80s.

The Future Generation

Leveling a priest in BC was rough. I remember putting the toon aside and leveling my hunter because of just the squishiness of the priest. Also the grind just seemed pointless and not very productive. Then WotLK came out and the race to get Logtar to 80 left the priest all but forgotten and third fiddle to the DK I created. He was not really touched until our progression was stagnant and I needed to make more money. I started leveling his inscription and little by little he started actually being useful.

Lets get ready to rumble

My interest on him started to pick up when we started to receive experience while in BGs. I think I got 10 easy levels that way, but it got nerfed. Then I ventured into the healing side of things and found it very interesting and challenging in a good way. Thanks to some of those once a week healing excursions I actually met some of our guildies. I enjoyed it, but it was not a full time job… almost like a hobbie. He sat at 50 for a long time, and I would log in and quest but nothing seemed to really push him forward.

Two maning Botanica for Potion's book

Logtar was getting to be very spoiled by both Ygraane and Blue having stoneblood potions ready when we were going to start running chain heroics. I had started Hollogos down the alchemy path, but used all of the herbs that I gathered leveling inscriptions. As I got closer to 60 and the capability of making better potions started to get more and more appealing. I made a push for mats by grinding but mostly by having guildies help out and I had my potions almost maxed out in a couple of days. Hollogos was looking better and better.

Yeap, PvP Domination

I started to heal Arathi Basin and getting more and more successful at it, eventually topping the healing charts being just a clicker, not even using heal bot yet. The grind from 60 to 70 did not seem like a grind anymore, but a welcomed break from the tanking. What also helped is that we now have several people in the guild with not just tanks, but the capability of taking my spot on runs. Also the new healers that had joined our guild kicked so much butt, that I wanted to see if I could keep up.

Squishy hurts

Slowly but surely Hollogos got to reach the upper 60s and being able to enter UK. Teague helped me with a full set of gear and I was on my way. It was tough at first, but I started clearing it as a healer consistently. I enjoyed healing more and more each day. Then Blizzard changes the game once again and makes it way easier to not just get gear but progress quicker. The dungeon system was not just handing out emblems but also experience.

Both Logtar and Hollogos were PvPing ever time the daily called for WG or AB. AV has been avoided like the plague since people seem to not grasp that turtling is not just an overall bad strategy and a waste of possibl experience on boss kills but extremely boring.

All those places that I knew like the back of my hand as a tank took a whole new meaning as a healer. Mobs that I thought were super simple to kill became my true nemesis by interrupting or silencing me. I was getting more and more encouraged by the other guildies around the 70s and we had a new little gang leveling up. No wipes, lots of laughs and gear dropping like it was going out of style. Occasional pugs will fill up our ranks and provide even more entertainment.

Feeling a little Walrusy

A week of vacation with no far away destination and cold weather created the perfect storm. I could do a push to get Hollogos about a half of level per day while still raiding with Logtar. Random dungeons quickly started to include the hated spider dungeons along with UK and Nexus.

Then a week ago I started to get queued up to Gundrak. I was surprised because I had expected to spend a lot more time doing DTK, but experience and quest related to that dungeon seem to speed up the process of leveling. I also was con

BwenBwen kicked all of our asses by getting to 80 a week before any of us. Hollogos did beat Pala, Sam, Hon, Minieme, Psycho and Buren to 80 though. Pala and Sam were very close though, I think we dinged just hours apart from each other.

Hollogos is 80!

A very special tanks to everyone that helped me level, without your help the grind would have been long and tedious but you guys made it a blast. Buren, Psycho, Moon, Hon and Froto’s crab for all your tanking, Sam, Bwen, Pala, Linz, Acorn and Bomb and everyone else in the guild for all your DPS and Tera and Moon for all your enchants! I swear they were not wasted 🙂

The BoondockSaints


I don’t think that when we started this guild we realized that we were actually going to progress as much as we have. We have grown in numbers but still have the same family feel we did when it was just a dozen of us. As a guild we have gone six bosses deep into Ulduar and could probably come close to clearing it with the new gear we are all getting. Some of us have finished ToC and even getting into ICC raids. As a guild we are killing trash to get rep and a good number of us have the free rings from there.

We have a lot of fun every night on vent. We are helping people from other guild getting geared and are now on the third wave of 80s. My priest missed the second wave, but is happy healing like some 80 at 75. We are also never short on enchants and gems. More importantly we are never short on people that want to lend a hand.

We also never turn down a good PvP fight. We have made hit lists in the horde side and dominate most of our encounters! (except when we are outnumbered when there is only 5 of us on)

So now what?

Well, for the coming year while we wait for the new expansion and get ready to eventually face and kill Arthras we are going to make Froto happy and raid some more. We took a break from official raiding on December and are going back into a schedule. We are also going to continue with our farming days to keep our bank well stocked with raiding items. I also want to help Aloea and Smidgeon to their achievement seeking goals.

Raid Schedule Jan 2010

Our focus for this month will be ICC rep as well as gearing up the new 80s. Please see Froto about signing up for any 10 mans. We are going to form our 10 mans for success, we will let you know if you are ready and what you need if you are not. Our 25 mans are open to all. Please read up on the fights and watch the youtube videos before going into any raid. We required you to download and install DBM, Ventrilo and Omen if you want to raid. Contact any of the officers if you have any questions.

Raid Start Times at 8:30 unless otherwise posted in the in game schedule.

Sunday – Monday
10 Man – ICC Rep Runs

25 Man – Weekly Raid
10 Man – Weekly Raid

25 Man – OS
10 Man – Ulduar

10 Man – Naxx
10 Man – ICC

10 Man – Naxx
10 Man – ToC